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#51 Fort Worthology

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Posted 02 July 2014 - 04:06 PM

Interesting comparison (from TAD) of two of FW's notable downtown historic preservation buildings:  Public Market, 40,210 sq. ft., tax appraised value $2.4 million; T&P Warehouse, 549,452 sq. ft., $1.2 million tax appraised value.  Size isn't everything, I guess.  Of course, one was a railroad company warehouse, circa 1931; the other a public market, circa 1925.  Just FYI.

 

Can the new owners of the Public Market do anything to improve ingress and egress, parking etc.?

 

There's no need to improve parking - the building is surrounded by it.  After the fire, there's plenty of room out back in addition to all the front parking.  And as far as ingress/egress goes, it's on a red light - it's not hard to get in and out.

 

There's nothing they can do about the concrete ramp vortex, though.


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Posted 02 July 2014 - 05:42 PM

Too bad.  I would agree with you about physically moving this structure to another location.  It's been done before.  Wasn't that old Victorian mansion relocated to Fair Park in Dallas a long time ago (think I'm right about that)?  Any other examples anyone can think of?



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 09:01 PM

Drove by the Public Market Building today and it now looks like, excuse the French, crap.  Every window on the first floor is covered in plywood sheets with a giant padlock on the plywood covering the front door.  It now sincerely looks abandoned and I can imagine that the plywood will soon be covered in graffitti.  Hopefully, it is all part of the restoration and the plywood is just there temporarily. 



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Posted 29 July 2014 - 10:21 PM

Dave, this one of the ways to properly mothball a building.  The plywood keeps people out and it keeps the windows from being damaged.  It would look much better if the plywood was painted to match the windows.



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Posted 30 July 2014 - 07:28 AM

Yes; I realized it was a temporary thing, that it was just bought and there are plans to fix 'er up...I just hope they don't take too long to do that because that little intersection at Henderson now just looks depressing.  Not sure how much vandalism or trespassing there has been there, but the place always seemed pretty safe and un-vandalized (at least the front side) due to the constant traffic there, which has me thinking that the plywood may be overkill and possibly the back side should have been secured more than the front of the building.  Now, for the indeterminable future, I am going to be depressed every time I drive by that building until it is restored.



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Posted 04 May 2015 - 08:11 PM

Posted an album of photos here

 

The building seems to be in proper mothball condition, there's no vandalism anywhere besides busted windows everywhere. I also mentioned in that album that is has working security aswell. So at least it's being somewhat passively taken care of.



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Posted 05 May 2015 - 10:52 AM

I saw a number of cars and a group of people in front of it last Friday about 7:00 p.m......I was hoping something positive was about to begin on the building.



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Posted 30 June 2015 - 12:52 PM

So what's the scoop?  Any rehab movement, or will this building sit idle for a few more years?



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 12:26 PM

Rumor is that a major announcement will be made today on the building.  You might watch Channel 8 News at Six.



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 05:17 PM

Gave a nice history into the background. 

 

The new owners are working with Architects, but no solid plans. 

 

Hotel, restraunts, and retail being considered. 



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 05:20 PM

I was really hoping something major would have been announced. The whole reason behind the story was that vandals have attacked the building.



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Posted 31 August 2015 - 05:20 PM

Good to see it getting some media love, but no real announcement.

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 06:30 PM

http://www.wfaa.com/...epair/71486832/

Story online.

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 07:09 AM

Good to see it getting some media love, but no real announcement.


Yeah. I was underwhelmed.
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Posted 12 March 2016 - 12:15 AM

Maybe the Public Market on Henderson can be turned into a food hall ?
Here's an article about the current boom of food halls being opened in renovated old structures. Including 2 to open in Dallas.
http://www.eater.com...-halls-new-2016

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Posted 12 March 2016 - 12:47 AM

Maybe the Public Market on Henderson can be turned into a food hall ?
 

 

Probably need to find some Dallas investors to get this going... Isn't that the way these things seem to work?



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Posted 12 March 2016 - 07:20 PM

Downtown Fort Worth would probably benefit from having a food court.

 

Unfortunately, I don't think a food court would be successful in the old Public Market.

 

It would be too inconvenient of a walk for most downtown office workers.


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Posted 12 March 2016 - 09:43 PM

Yea, that location isn't going to get much foot traffic, it's going to need a lot of parking to be successful in whatever it becomes. I don't imagine anything pedestrian friendly, unfortunately.

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Posted 14 March 2016 - 06:03 AM

Yes, unfortunately.  The traffic and parking patterns around that site would need to be drastically altered.My previously stated idea was to move this historic structure, then rehab it.  It could be used as a museum, food court, or entertainment venue.  Why not re-locate it to the Stockyards?



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 04:36 AM

Maybe we should have a separate thread titled, "historic buildings we'd like to see renovated and occupied in our lifetime."  Never mind. Ditto for this historic building, as well as the big empty warehouse on Lancaster.



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 06:45 PM

Yes, unfortunately.  The traffic and parking patterns around that site would need to be drastically altered.My previously stated idea was to move this historic structure, then rehab it.  It could be used as a museum, food court, or entertainment venue.  Why not re-locate it to the Stockyards?

 

Old post... but yeah, to capture the essence of the building all you'd need to do is move the tower and the facade on either side of it.  Then build the rest of the building to suit its use.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:42 AM

I noticed a couple of service vans at the market's open front door yesterday. Not sure if they are doing maintenance or what. Also, I've seen some demo/ clearing in the burned portion in the last few months. 


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:43 AM

Maybe something is getting started????!!!!!



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Posted 10 August 2018 - 10:50 AM

On 1/30/18 a plumbing standalone permit was filed for the building. Deeco Plumbings is the listed plumber. Interestingly, they seem to have some focus on historic homes

That is the only permit filed in the past 5 years.

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Posted 10 August 2018 - 12:26 PM

Yeah, you see Deeco Construction signs all over Fairmount when people get work done.


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Posted 10 August 2018 - 01:19 PM

It could just be that they are re-boarding openings. I've noticed graffiti on the tower, but not sure how old it is.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 07:14 AM

I say haul the building away to a better location and refurbish it for arts and entertainment.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 08:49 AM

I say haul the building away to a better location and refurbish it for arts and entertainment.

 

Repairing building damaged after earthquakes makes me believe that it is possible.

 

Love to have it at Lancaster @ Main Street.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 08:55 AM

Moving it would be a pretty costly labor of love, but that would be a great outcome.  Fixing the road mess around it would be just as costly.  I'm sure the right plan could make it successful in that location, but they really put it in the worst spot with the freeway work.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:07 AM

We could probably accept a new building with the bricks,and mortar salvaged and put back on the new structure.  I think among the greatest challenge is to have a precise measurement to the inch of the Public Market so that the reproduction is achieved.

 

There certainly is not a shortage of masonry labor in the City.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:32 AM

I think the solution is the right business plan for the building on the current site.

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Posted 14 August 2018 - 09:54 AM

I think the solution is the right business plan for the building on the current site.

 

That's probably the only really feasible solution too.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 11:04 AM

...and that plan would be?

 

The problem is that location is just totally cut off from the rest of Downtown and the Near Southside.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:01 PM

...and that plan would be?

 

The problem is that location is just totally cut off from the rest of Downtown and the Near Southside.

 

Remove the windows and doors and use the building as a canopy for a quicktrip 



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:20 PM

...and that plan would be?

 

The problem is that location is just totally cut off from the rest of Downtown and the Near Southside.

 

It would make a cool architect's office. It would be more suited to something that doesn't require heaver traffic, like some sort of offices. A lawyer with some historical preservation tendencies might work.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 12:44 PM

One of the Downtown hotels/planned boutique hotel could turn it into something like this -

 

http://theashtondepot.com/



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 02:53 PM

I take it they're under the same ownership as the Ashton on Main Street.  Maybe they should open a third venue in Ft Worth and call it the Ashton Market.


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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:02 PM

No, it's owned by a family from Cicso with ties to the masonry and energy industries.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:05 PM

So, the Ashton Hotel sold it to this family?

 

Originally, it was announced as a satellite banquet facility for the AH.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:17 PM

Good lord.  I thought Doohickie was asking about the public market.  The Ashton Depot is still owned by the hotel.  I was referring to the market.  I'm a little slow on the uptake.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:18 PM

 

...and that plan would be?

 

The problem is that location is just totally cut off from the rest of Downtown and the Near Southside.

 

Remove the windows and doors and use the building as a canopy for a quicktrip 

 

 

Or a Bank!



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 03:43 PM

It is listed on the National Register, and as a Recorded Texas Historical Landmark. Locally, it has a Demolition Delay designation, but I think the developers are going to have that level raised to either Historic & Cultural Landmark, or Highly Significant Endangered.

 

 Does its designation place some restraint on how much if any changes can be made beyond its original inception?



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 05:57 PM

I believe that under Demolition Delay, you can remodel or change as much as you wish, as long as you don't completely demolish the building.  If you did want to demolish the building, then you apply to the Historic & Cultural Landmarks Commission.  After the application, you must have a meeting with all interested parties to see if there is a way to save the building, and you have to present your case for demolition to the Commission.  After your presentation, they can put a demolition delay on the building up to 180 days.  If nothing is done to save your building, then after 180 days, you can demolish it.  Under the DD overlay, any remodeling, addition, alterations, repairs, or new construction can occur on the property without being reviewed by the Landmarks Commission. 

 

National Register Designation and being a Recorded Texas Historical Landmark are more ceremonial.  You still have to notify the proper authorities that you are going to remodel a building, but they have no legal recourse against you.  However, if you are going for Federal or State Tax Credits, or if the project involves public funds, then you do have to adhere to the Secretary of the Interior's Standards for Rehabilitation.  If the project is deemed to not adhere to those standards, then the project has to go through a mitigation process.  The mitigation process can also be initiated if the project affects federal lands or areas under federal control or regulation.  An example of this would be a project that has an impact on the Trinity River.  Believe it or not, several preservation projects have resulted from mitigation.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 06:45 PM

At least, if I am understanding, the DD provides the "flashing alerts" that gives the public the opportunity to express its opinion or to allow time for to mount a resistance.



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Posted 14 August 2018 - 07:25 PM

That is more, or less, correct.  However, if an owner really wants to tear it down, he doesn't have to listen.  I have been in a few DD hearings where the owner said he would sell the property for $2 Million, when it was actually worth about $100K.  He also said that he would not lower his price under any circumstance.  He stuck to his word, and the building was demolished.



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Posted 19 August 2018 - 01:06 PM

It looks like it has received some additional mothballing. The stained glass is covered in wood.

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Posted 11 September 2018 - 05:58 PM

The door was open again today with a worker going in and out. I tell you, I am not impressed by the unpainted plywood window covers. Some of the older plywood is weathered, warping and looking like it will fall off. It's starting to look like an eyesore and I can't help but wonder if it's on its way to demolition by neglect.


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Posted 12 September 2018 - 11:16 AM

The door was open again today with a worker going in and out. I tell you, I am not impressed by the unpainted plywood window covers. Some of the older plywood is weathered, warping and looking like it will fall off. It's starting to look like an eyesore and I can't help but wonder if it's on its way to demolition by neglect.

 

I went inside a few years ago--believe it or not, the Tarrant County Bar Association had its offices there at one time.  If you think the outside looks bad, the inside is worse, unless the owner made interior improvements.  I walked daintily on creaky wood planks for fear of falling through the floor.



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Posted 15 January 2019 - 11:02 AM

Two demolition permits have been filed at 1400 Henderson, one for a "Shed" and another which doesn't give many details, presumably this is the burnt out shell and the one story brick structure on the west side of the property. 

 

https://accela.fortw...ShowInspection=

 

https://accela.fortw...ShowInspection=

 

Maybe a precursor to something actually happening with the structure.



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Posted 22 March 2019 - 05:52 PM

Hotel, restraunts, and retail being considered. 


Hearing that the recent demos are early preparation for some forward movement on site. As mentioned in the WFAA article, a hotel and restaurants mix is supposedly planned. Perhaps a new structure is being proposed to hold additional rooms on site.

We've had several false starts on this in recent years so take this with a grain of salt.




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