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#1 Austin55

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 01:09 PM

Stemming off the discussion of the Sinclair building getting a hotel conversion.

 

 

You can see this graphic from the historic commission clearly labels this lot as slated for a hotel and sidewalk improvements. 

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In Two of the renderings for the Sinclair you can make out parts of the possible building 

 

Here at 5th and Main the lower floors of it are on the left. 

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And here you can see nearly the full height, about 11 or 12 floors, and seems to include a nice rooftop deck. 

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Assuming it would be about the same height as STS or Burk Burnett, it'd be a very thin building, about 50 feet wide.  

 

Since the building is so well detailed in the above rendering and the other buildings are stock models from Google Earth, I'm thinking that the same group behind the Marriott Sinclair conversion is also behind this building. TAD furthers this, as the lot is shown to be owned by "Sinclair Holdings LLC", obviously the same group behind the conversion. 

 

 

 



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Posted 07 February 2015 - 03:20 PM

Austin, that same group was the first to do something with that site.  After they purchased the Scott-Harrold Buiding/Cox's/Lerner Shops, they demolished it for a parking lot for the Sinclair Building.



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 04:28 AM

Did some digging and found everything I wanted to know. 

 

 

Fort Worth, Texas

This fourteen story building will be new construction, to house a Marriott AC hotel. The hotel will have 180 guest rooms, plus restaurant, bar and meeting functions. A roof top pool/amenity deck will also be part of the hotel. Retail space on the sides of the building, at grade level, will allow for a retail link to Sundance Square, which is a half a block away. The modern design uses a combination of materials to allow the new building to blend with the adjacent historic structures. The side is very urban and is 60’x 200’ in size.

 

 

 

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Downtown looks to grow ever denser.



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 07:18 AM

Oh wow. I love that. Great find.

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 08:25 AM

Austin, what's the source of your information in Post #3?   Any news on when construction will begin?



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 10:30 AM

Very good find Austin. I really like this building. it's simple yet effective. I think more infill with this foresight is what downtown really needs.

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Posted 11 February 2016 - 03:02 PM

All from the architects website. No idea on a timeline, but I'd guess it will be a while.



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Posted 11 February 2016 - 05:26 PM

Has the property owner/developer made any progress on either of the two previously announced projects Downtown?  (The former annex building to the Hotel Texas/Hilton, and the Sinclair/STS building conversion to an Autograph Marriott hotel?)  

 

I've seen no progress and those were announced about a year ago. 

 

Regarding the design of the AC shown above:

The good: 

1) filling in a currently vacant surface parking corner

2) the way the building addresses the streets near ground level

3) the addition of an AC hotel - would seemingly be a great addition to missing MORE INTERESTING hotel room options in Fort Worth

 

The not so good:

1) I'm not sold on how well that black or dark gray part of the building will age.  When brand new it would look clean and slick, however that could age very poorly and seems to be missing something - I cant tell what - but could benefit from some changes. 

 

Overall, its pretty good. 

 

I'm pulling for this fellow to get all of these projects done and done WELL. 



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Posted 12 February 2016 - 01:14 AM

I like the general idea and design for a hotel in that location.

 

Urbndwlr, I wonder if what you sense as missing is some sort of cornice for the building. Any clue as to what the darker material is going to be... colored concrete, granite cladding, etc.?



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 09:40 AM

Love this, can't wait to see more develop.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 11:44 AM

This would be cool if it actually happens. The website has no information on start date or anything. Then it says Dallas as if Fort Worth is apart of Dallas omg



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 12:02 PM

This would be cool if it actually happens. The website has no information on start date or anything. Then it says Dallas as if Fort Worth is apart of Dallas omg

 

I actually think it shall happen; and that the start date may have a lot to do with how quickly the City gets underway with the Convention Center Project.  Dallas is the home of the architectural firm; and they may open a satellite office in Downtown once construction begins; an office that could also become permanent.



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 03:37 PM

Maybe they are waiting for the leases of the offices to run out at the Sinclair building before construction is able to start at this hotel or the Hilton Annex?



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Posted 15 February 2016 - 06:25 PM

Perhaps we will know more after the "Fort Worth State of the Market" event tomorrow hosted by Bisnow. 

 

https://www.bisnow.c...-the-Market-392


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Posted 24 February 2016 - 03:17 PM

Perhaps we will know more after the "Fort Worth State of the Market" event tomorrow hosted by Bisnow. 

 

https://www.bisnow.c...-the-Market-392

 

Sure enough, (though no new details, confirms the project is alive)

 

 

The AC by Marriott—the brand coming to the US from Spain and Portugal (with a location coming to Dallas that we told you about recently) will operate its boutique W-style hotel with around 150 to 200 rooms in Fort Worth, as well.

https://www.bisnow.c...-headline-56439



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Posted 24 February 2016 - 05:51 PM

It will be awesome if all of those hotel projects happen.

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Posted 25 February 2017 - 01:31 PM

This is on the March DDRB agenda.

 

 

DG17-07 111 W. 5 th Street Owner/Applicant: Sinclair Holdings, LLC/ Don Epperson- Epperson Company Request approval of building massing and form for the construction a fifteen (15) story hotel.

 

Looks like we'll know some more after March 2nd.

 

Edit - A twitter user saw core drilling going on today



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Posted 25 February 2017 - 02:26 PM

I knew it was coming, but I didn't know when.



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:04 PM

I have a height of the proposed hotel. It will be 168 feet tall.



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 02:55 PM

The new 43rd tallest building in the city!



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Posted 01 March 2017 - 03:03 PM

That's pretty far down the list.  I will add it to the Fort Worth's Tallest list after work.  Slowly, I'm finding the height of all of our buildings, with a little help from the forum members. 



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Posted 02 March 2017 - 10:52 PM

Here's the Sandra Baker Article on the DDRB hearing.

http://www.star-tele...e136081058.html

Looks like it's gained some rooms.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 09:26 AM

Core samples

 

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:27 AM

Core samples..

 

You are the bearer of good news. :)



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:36 AM

Core samples

 

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A stage would be built on that lot during Main street arts festival. That brick wall was pretty cool looking at night with colored lights shining on it.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 10:46 AM

 

Core samples

 

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A stage would be built on that lot during Main street arts festival. That brick wall was pretty cool looking at night with colored lights shining on it.

 

 

 Now wouldn't it be cool to incorporate the brick wall into the interior of the new hotel?



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:06 PM

not sure how it would be done from an engineering standpoint, but the idea is stellar

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:09 PM

not sure how it would be done from an engineering standpoint, but the idea is stellar

 

Yes, I came to a similar conclusion after posting my comment.  There would be some property issues with Kress Building for certain.

 

One idea might be to create an alley with glass and outdoor dining on the hotel side over looking the brownstone wall as it does present some interesting opportunities.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 04:49 PM


not sure how it would be done from an engineering standpoint, but the idea is stellar

 
Yes, I came to a similar conclusion after posting my comment.  There would be some property issues with Kress Building for certain.
 
One idea might be to create an alley with glass and outdoor dining on the hotel side over looking the brownstone wall as it does present some interesting opportunities.

I think you can just make the building as normal and then leave the side of the building open, but with exposed metal supports possibly. It would be challenging, but also a unique opportunity. Unique for FW that is.

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:43 PM

I think there would also be building code issues with doing this.



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 07:41 PM

I think there would also be building code issues with doing this.

 

What do you think would be a solution to use the narrow space between Kress and the AC Marriott?  I like the suugestion of exposed 3-story Piers creating a canopy along the rear of the hotel.  The piers could be steel wrapped in masonry material.  It will be interesting to see the solution.



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 09:23 AM

 

 

not sure how it would be done from an engineering standpoint, but the idea is stellar

 
Yes, I came to a similar conclusion after posting my comment.  There would be some property issues with Kress Building for certain.
 
One idea might be to create an alley with glass and outdoor dining on the hotel side over looking the brownstone wall as it does present some interesting opportunities.

I think you can just make the building as normal and then leave the side of the building open, but with exposed metal supports possibly. It would be challenging, but also a unique opportunity. Unique for FW that is.

 

It might be able to be open structurally, but fire separation required of the buildings and occupancy groups would make it about impossible to work.

 

*edit* I didn't notice the site plan. The alley shown would help with the requirements.


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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:14 AM

I thought about the alley helping with the requirements, but with such a narrow lot, I'm pretty sure that an alley would not make the building functional.  It would make sense to put all of the back of house and core elements on the south side of the building. 



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 10:31 AM

I'm thinking that a similar situation must have existed between 640 Taylor and the S-T Annex.  Are the two buildings sharing an existing wall?



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Posted 21 August 2017 - 12:24 PM

There are two separate fire walls between the S-T building and the Frost Tower.   This is similar to what will be built between the Kress and the AC Hotel.  However, there is a different situation over at Frost.  Under the International Building Code, all of the Frost Tower above the S-T building along the property line, glass would not be allowed.  That certainly would not work for the office space above.  The two owners got together and replatted the block into one piece of property and the S-T building entered a condominium arrangement with Frost.  Since there is not a property line between them, the code issues between two pieces of property went away.  The two buildings still need to follow the code in relationship to roofs, firewalls, and separation between the two structures.  Please forgive me for being brief and generalizing.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:17 PM

The latest DDRB agenda has this gaining an extra floor, now at 15 stories.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:25 PM

The DDRB Agenda just popped into my Inbox while I was reading your post, Austin.  I will take a look at it.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 03:44 PM

The latest DDRB agenda has this gaining an extra floor, now at 15 stories.


Awesome. I really want this thing built and built soon... nothing irks me more than open lots in the middle of downtown
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Posted 27 October 2017 - 09:39 PM

I have a new height for the building.  With the extra floor, it will be 177 feet tall.



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Posted 27 October 2017 - 10:00 PM

I have a new height for the building.  With the extra floor, it will be 177 feet tall.

 

Or the height of Sundance West.



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Posted 28 October 2017 - 08:47 AM

The architects have reconfigured the floors and there is now much better use of the lobby and ground floor space within the building.  Under the old plan, the stairs were at the southeast and southwest corner of the building, having the stair taking up street frontage on the first floor.  The stairs have now been moved inward, so that there will be space with windows on the street at both locations.  Main Street will have retail or a restaurant that ties into the hotel.  Houston Street will have the back of house function at that corner.  The main entrance and lobby have been moved one building bay westward on 5th Street.  All of the core elements have been shoved up against the party wall between this building and Kress.



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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:59 PM

The Downtown Design Review Board Met and approved the new 16 story design for the AC Hotel.  I'm providing a link to the Fort Worth Business Press article on the entire DDRB hearing.  There were several other controversial cases and those topics should be discussed in their proper threads. 

 

http://www.fortworth...a927572039.html



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

Great news on this project and disappointing news from the DDRB & council members regarding WeWork.

Hopefully decisions like these won’t continue to affect FW’s, already stringent review standards further damaging our inability to attract new business to relocate here. I work in the industry and news like this has a ripple effect. I understand having standards but at what cost.

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Posted 03 November 2017 - 08:58 AM

If you think the design standards should be changed, then you should get more involved.  Join Downtown Fort Worth, Inc. and get involved in the committee that reviews the design standards.  Another option would be to put you hat into the ring to get on the Downtown Design Review Board.  I believe all of the vacant positions have been filled for right now, but just a short time ago, there were vacancies on that Board.  It also helps to know your City Councilperson.  To get the ball rolling, there is an application form for Boards, Commissions, and Committees that is available on the City of Fort Worth's website.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:40 AM

 

The crews are with a geotechnical firm, and they are continuing with the drilling to take the soil samples. I took a look at the site late this afternoon.

 

 Drilling and taking soil samples - does it indicate that actual construction will begin sooner than later?

 

 

 

The Downtown Design Review Board Met and approved the new 16 story design for the AC Hotel.  I'm providing a link to the Fort Worth Business Press article on the entire DDRB hearing.  There were several other controversial cases and those topics should be discussed in their proper threads. 

 

http://www.fortworth...a927572039.html

 

 Yes, the AC Hotel and the 901 Commerce Mixed Use Apartments (901CMUA)  are different projects, but the relatively speedy time that elapsed between core drilling and setting a construction time line makes me optimistic that there may be a similar speediness to the 901CMUA.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 11:55 AM

The Downtown Design Review Board Met and approved the new 16 story design for the AC Hotel....

 

 There is signage above 10 floors.  By the way, it looks cool and there is nothing objectionable about it.  Also, where is parking for hotel guests?

 

  And finally, the renderings are great but incorrect - Sundance Towers would not be visible in background from this view.

 

http://www.fortworth...a927572039.html



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 12:36 PM

There is signage above 10 floors and I'm betting they will have to return to the DDRB to get that approved.  If so, it will be handled like the WeWork sign at City Place.  They will be asking for a variance or a waiver in the design standards.  It is my understanding that the parking for this hotel, the Autograph Collection Hotel in the Sinclair Building across the street, and the apartments at 815 Commerce (Hilton Hotel Annex) will all be accommodated in the Hilton Hotel Annex (formerly the Biltmore Garage). 

 

Someone else on the forum had already pointed it out that the rendering had the Sundance Square Towers in them, when it should not.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 02:32 PM

(1) There is signage above 10 floors and I'm betting they will have to return to the DDRB to get that approved.  If so, it will be handled like the WeWork sign at City Place.....

 

(2)   It is my understanding that the parking for this hotel, the Autograph Collection Hotel in the Sinclair Building across the street, and the apartments at 815 Commerce (Hilton Hotel Annex) will all be accommodated in the Hilton Hotel Annex (formerly the Biltmore Garage).

 

1. I cannot find anything objectionable about the sign; am I missing something?

 

2. I cannot find the Sinclair Building parking garage.  The Houston Street Parking Garage, Houston & 5-6th, seems much more practical.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 02:52 PM

Renamerusk:

 

1.  No you are not missing anything.  I'm just saying that they will probably have to go back before the DDRB to get a waiver for the top of building signage.  Granted, I was not at the meeting and I have not seen it, so I can't say for sure.  Usually signage packages are separate than the building because the signs are refined and usually redone by the later date.

 

2.  Currently, the Sinclair Building does not have a dedicated parking garage.  The tenants now park on two hotel sites.  The first is across the street, where the AC Hotel is planned to be built, and the second is behind Mt. Gilead Baptist Church where the new Hilton Garden Inn is supposed to be under construction.  The parking that the owner of the Sinclair Building has secured for his redevelopment projects is the garage that is inside the Hilton Hotel Annex.  That is on Commerce between 7th and 8th.  This was actually the old Biltmore Garage, which was built in 1928.



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Posted 03 November 2017 - 03:28 PM

Renamerusk:

 

2.  Currently, the Sinclair Building does not have a dedicated parking garage.  The tenants now park on two hotel sites.  The first is across the street, where the AC Hotel is planned to be built, and the second is behind Mt. Gilead Baptist Church where the new Hilton Garden Inn is supposed to be under construction.  The parking that the owner of the Sinclair Building has secured for his redevelopment projects is the garage that is inside the Hilton Hotel Annex.  That is on Commerce between 7th and 8th.  This was actually the old Biltmore Garage, which was built in 1928.

 

Wow, Sinclair Parking, aside from the ACH site, is scattered across Downtown.  The Biltmore Garage is several blocks away.

 

In the immediate area surrounding the ACHotel, is the Houston Street Garage. Also, there is a surface parking lot at the corner of Throckmorton @ 5th that would be an ideal location for either an expansion of the HSG or the building of a new garage.  The question is who owns the surface lot and is it available?







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